Transcript of ‘Debating Deafness And Embryo Selection: Are We Undermining Reproductive Confidence In The Deaf Community?’

By Alison Bryan | April 23rd, 2008


On the 9 April 2008, the Progress Educational Trust and the Wales Gene Park, organised a debate in Cardiff, “Debating Deafness And Embryo Selection: Are We Undermining Reproductive Confidence In The Deaf Community?” This debate was primarily to focus on the merits of Clause 14(4)(9) of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill.

This event was oversubscribed, and had a long waiting list; which gives indicates the topic’s current importance.

A full English transcript, can now be found here [PDF].

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Summary of the meeting at the Department of Health

By Alison Bryan | April 1st, 2008


On the 19 March 2008 representatives of Stop Eugenics, the BDA, the Progress Educational Trust and two individual genetics counsellors met with the HFE Bill Team at the Department of Health.

The purpose of the meeting was to discuss our concerns over Clause 14(4)(9) and relevant Explanatory Notes of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill (HFEB).

A summary of the meeting can be found in English here [PDF] and in British Sign Language:

The Department of Health will be releasing their response to this meeting in the near future.

Stop Eugenics would like to thank all those involved for making this meeting happen.

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BBC This is My Family - Wanting a Deaf Baby (subtitled)

By Editor | December 3rd, 2007


This post originally appeared on Grumpy Old Deafies.

In September 2004 the BBC aired a programme called This is My Family: Wanting a Deaf Baby, which featured a Deaf couple Paul and Claire Dowdican, and discussed their thoughts on a desire to have a Deaf child. The full programme which is subtitled, can be viewed here:

This is of particular interest, given the current political climate.

Further Reading:
BBC Ouch Interview with Claire Dowdican

See also:
A Fairy Tale: Fact or Fiction?
EFEB: BDA Letter to Members of the House of Lords in BSL
Guest: Clark Denmark - Stop!
Parliament: Deaf Embryo selection to be made illegal
HFEB: Explanatory clause on deaf selection
HFEB: BDA draft letter to Professor Marcus Pembrey
HFEB: other places discussing Deaf Eugenics

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A Fairy Tale: Fact or Fiction?

By Editor | December 3rd, 2007


This post originally appeared on Grumpy Old Deafies.

Howard James Hardiman, a freelance BSL interpreter, of Coterie of the Zombies chimed in with this vlog, making a lot of ideas accessible for children, in the process.

The full post, including an English transcript and comments can be found here.Thanks Howard!

See also:
EFEB: BDA Letter to Members of the House of Lords in BSL
Guest: Clark Denmark - Stop!
Parliament: Deaf Embryo selection to be made illegal
HFEB: Explanatory clause on deaf selection
HFEB: BDA draft letter to Professor Marcus Pembrey
HFEB: other places discussing Deaf Eugenics

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EFEB: BDA Letter to Members of the House of Lords in BSL

By Editor | December 3rd, 2007


This post originally appeared on Grumpy Old Deafies.

The draft BDA letter has now been translated into BSL:

The letter in English can be found here [PDF]. This letter has been sent to the relevant people sitting in the House of Lords.Huge thanks to Gavin Lilley for his time in translating this letter, Katie Rogers for organising this, and both to Gavin and JG Jones for spending a lot of energy over the weekend getting this uploaded after several false attempts.

See also:
Guest: Clark Denmark - Stop!
Parliament: Deaf Embryo selection to be made illegal
HFEB: Explanatory clause on deaf selection
HFEB: BDA draft letter to Professor Marcus Pembrey
HFEB: other places discussing Deaf Eugenics

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Guest: Clark Denmark - Stop!

By Editor | December 3rd, 2007


This post originally appeared on Grumpy Old Deafies.

Clark Denmark has created a vlog in BSL [British Sign Language] on the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill, and his thoughts around the subject of eugenics:

More BSL content to follow. A video in ASL [American Sign Language] on this subject, check out this vlog by DE.

See also:
Parliament: Deaf Embryo selection to be made illegal
HFEB: Explanatory clause on deaf selection
HFEB: BDA draft letter to Professor Marcus Pembrey
HFEB: other places discussing Deaf Eugenics

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HFEB: other places discussing Deaf Eugenics

By Editor | December 3rd, 2007


This post originally appeared on Grumpy Old Deafies

Here’s some other vlogs, blogs and forums on the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill, aka that Deaf Eugenics clause:

baby hear
Vlogs:

Blogs:

Forums:

Do you know of any others? Let us know and we will add your link.

See also:
HFEB: BDA draft letter to Professor Marcus Pembrey
HFEB: Explanatory clause on deaf selection
Parliament: Deaf Embryo selection to be made illegal

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HFEB: BDA draft letter to Professor Marcus Pembrey

By Editor | December 3rd, 2007


 This post originally appeared on Grumpy Old Deafies.

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The BDA has acted as a respondent agent on behalf of the Deaf community, and composed a draft letter [PDF] that has been sent to Professor Marcus Pembrey (Professor of Paediatric Genetics), who is acting as an advisor to the House of Lords on amendments to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill.

We owe a huge thanks to certain individuals in making this letter happen. You know who you are.

If you are unable to access the PDF, the full text follows:

Dear Sir / Madam

Draft Response to Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill

The identification of genes associated with deafness and other technology now makes it possible to screen for the presence of those genes. The proposed uses of this technology raise several questions about the moral permissibility of genetic screening. Given the potential effect of genetic screening on deaf people and potential deaf people, we wish to issue a public statement.

We would like to address the proposed change to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill in Clause 14, section 4, number 9 (Lines 23-30, Page 10), which states:

Persons or embryos that are known to have a gene, chromosome or mitochondrion abnormality involving a significant risk that a person with the abnormality will have or develop—
(a) a serious physical or mental disability,
(b) a serious illness, or
(c) any other serious medical condition,
must not be preferred to those that are not known to have such an abnormality.

We oppose the language and intent of the above proposed text for the following reasons:

1. It restricts the reproductive liberty for a citizens who possess specific characteristics, including deaf people
2. It prevents the birth of certain kinds of people, including, but not limited to deaf people

The issues raised in Clause 14, Section 4, Number 9 can be classified into two broad ethical concerns that affect the basic human rights of many citizens:

Who is not permitted to reproduce?
Who is prevented from coming into existence?

Who is not permitted to reproduce?

Under the language of the proposed bill, deaf people are defined as having a serious physical disability, and thus fall under “persons…that are known to have a gene, chromosome or mitochondrion abnormality involving a significant risk that the person will have a serious physical…disability…must not be preferred to those who are not known to have such an abnormality”.

The language of this clause implies at least two potential classes of actions violating the fundamental human right of deaf persons to reproduce, for example, Article’s 12 and 14 of the Convention of the Human Rights 1998 Act. This is particularly relevant to deaf parents. The Act protects the rights of deaf parents not to be discriminated against. For example, a deaf couple should not be told they couldn’t have children because they might pass deafness on. They must also not be told to end a pregnancy if there is a chance their baby might be deaf. Deaf couples also obviously have a right to fertility treatment.

1. Deaf people whose genes are associated with deafness will be prohibited from becoming gamete donors. Imagine an infertile couple wishing to bear a child that is biologically related to both of them; the male is fertile, but the female does not possess any viable eggs. The female’s only living female relative offers to donate gamete(s) and her offer is rejected because of her genetic deafness, making it impossible for this couple to have a child genetically related to both of them. The couple is denied the opportunity to bear a biologically related child because of the female relative’s genetic deafness.

A related issue is that the language of this bill effectively prevents all people who hold carrier status for any genetically identifiable serious physical or mental disability, illness, or other serious medical condition would be prohibited from becoming gamete donors. There are currently more than 1300 conditions for which genetic tests are clinically available, several hundred genetic screening tests used in research and even more in various stages of development – the language of this clause makes it highly likely that a significant number of citizens will not be permitted to donate gametes.

2. Deaf people seeking fertility treatment will be denied access to these services if they possess genetic conditions that result only in the formation of embryos associated with deafness. Consider the infertile deaf couple desiring to have a child. Before fertility testing commences, genetic testing is conducted on the couple, and results indicate that all of their offspring will be deaf. The infertile couple’s request for fertility services is denied for the reason that embryos associated with genetic deafness are not preferred. Thus, the couple is denied the opportunity to have any children based on the stated preference against “abnormality”. In another possible scenario, a deaf couple has one deaf child, conceived through IVF several years ago, who is currently in need of a bone marrow transplant due to illness unrelated to her deafness. The child is quite ill, and her best chances of survival will come from marrow donated by a well matched donor, such as a sibling. The parents hope to save their existing child’s life by conceiving another child through IVF, using PGD to select embryo with the best bone marrow match for their existing child. Since the parents can only have deaf children, and the law prohibits access to fertility services on the basis of genetic deafness, the couple is not only denied fertility services, but denied the opportunity to pursue the strategy offering the best chance of survival for their remaining child.

Who is prevented from existing?

Parents who select an embryo on the basis of a physical characteristic, such as sex selection for family balancing or perfect musical pitch are commonly viewed as having gone down the morally suspect route of designing babies. Yet genetic selection to prevent disability can be viewed as a morally commendable choice, especially if the embryo(s) not selected would have resulted in the birth of a child dealing with intractable pain and suffering.

Motivations for prohibiting genetic selection should be carefully evaluated for eugenic bias preferring certain physical characteristics. It is assumed that one motivation for prohibiting genetic selection of certain genotypes is to reduce harm and/or suffering. Another motivation for genetic selection may be to reduce the economic costs related to creating an inclusive society that values all kinds of people. Both of these reasons are flawed. In almost all cases, the “benefit” of existence outweighs the “harm” of disability. Establishing social expectations that discourage the birth of citizens with a diversity of physical characteristics can result in negative social attitudes towards those born with these physical characteristics and their parents– this is well documented against families with young children born with Down Syndrome. Widespread prenatal (nongenetic) testing strongly correlates to the plummeting birth rate of children with Down Syndrome over the past decade, despite the increased birthrate for older mothers, who have a higher chance of having a child with Down Syndrome.

1. Impact of genetic screening and selection against deafness and the negative effect on the remaining population of deaf people. By codifying into law a preference for selecting embryos that are genetically associated with hearing, potential deaf people who would have otherwise been born will not have an opportunity to exist. Over time this is likely to bring about a less diverse society, including the potential for the decline or demise of BSL. Smaller numbers of deaf people overall may result in less communication access and fewer services offered to this population.

2. Impact of restricting genetic selection for deafness. If genetic selection is to be permitted, it should be applied fairly and available to all citizens. Currently the arguments proposed against permitting deaf people to select embryos with genes associated with deafness fall into two categories: the ‘right to an open future’ argument and the ‘conditions of exit’ argument. Both of these arguments fail to persuade.

In the ‘right to an open future’ argument, selecting embryos associated with deafness purportedly violates the parental duty to provide a child with the greatest number of opportunities possible. It is typically (and wrongly) assumed that a deaf child has been forever prevented from experiencing a variety of opportunities, including the chance to obtain a high quality education, the ability to drive a car, the opportunity to pursue a variety of careers, the experience of hearing and these missed opportunities severely limit the child’s life experience. These are false assumptions: deaf people can drive, receive excellent educations, work in a wide variety of careers, and have an open future – albeit one that is somewhat different than the future. One scholar likens this difference to having to choose between two buffet tables – one with 20 items and one with 23 items, rather than being a vegetarian at a buffet table laden with meat.

The ‘conditions of exit’ argument is similarly flawed. Here, it is assumed that deaf people who are members of a sign language community are isolated from mainstream society and cannot leave this community, even if they wished to do so. Aside from the numerous oral deaf people who operate as counterfactuals to this argument, this argument posits a degree of isolation from mainstream society that is not reflected in the reality of signing deaf people’s lives. Deaf people who sign spend a considerable amount of time interacting with hearing people, including purchasing groceries, attending mainstream public events, and communicate with their hearing family members and friends. It may even be the case that, in general, signing deaf people are more able to adapt to different environments because of their natural abilities as visual people.

For the reasons outlined above we request that Clause 14, number 4, section 9 be omitted from the proposed Human Fertilisation and Embryology bill.

Signed:
Francis Murphy
Chair of BDA

See also:
Parliament: Deaf Embryo selection to be made illegal
HFEB: Explanatory clause on deaf selection

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HFEB: Explanatory clause on deaf selection

By Editor | December 3rd, 2007


This post originally appeared on Grumpy Old Deafies

Much to report on the subject of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill that is going through parliament. Things have been moving fast in the background, and we are working hard to digest and respond to this complex law in a short space of time. A huge thanks to people (including internationals) for their support.

The Bill reaches the Committee stage at the House of Lords on Monday 3 December, so timing is extremely tight for our first battle. Today the first preliminary response was submitted.

However, wanted to mention something about how the international stage has had an effect on this legislation, and something we all need to think about and be ready for. Within the Bill’s explanatory notes is note 109 which states:

Embryo Testing

109. Clause 14(4) contains a provision that relates to the provisions on embryo testing (see note on clause 11). New sections 13(8) to (11) amend the 1990 Act to make it a condition of a treatment licence that embryos that are known to have an abnormality (including a gender-related abnormality) are not to be preferred to embryos not known to have such an abnormality. The same restriction is also applied to the selection of persons as gamete or embryo donors. This would prevent similar situations to cases, outside the UK, where positive selection of deaf donors in order deliberately to result in a deaf child have been reported.

We are unaware of any situations to date where an embryo has been specifically tested for a deaf gene by deaf people, then selected. In any case, genetics is not as simple as that. There’s 200+ deaf genes, and even if its present we don’t know how this will be expressed, i.e. deaf or hearing baby, and the factors determining this are complex.

However, through media misreporting we think this may be down to choices deaf people have made in respect of donors (egg or sperm donation), and now there is a political backlash.

Think about the implications of this law’s intention:

  • What about a straight relationship that needs IVF intervention - does that mean a deaf gene carrier can never partake in donation of eggs / sperm?
  • For gay relationships - a deaf gene carrier (say a friend) can never donate their eggs or sperm for the conception of a child? (Incidentally this same Bill attempts to strengthen gay parenting rights).

Source:
Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill: Explanatory Notes

See also:
Parliament: Deaf Embryo selection to be made illegal

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Parliament: Deaf Embryo selection to be made illegal

By Editor | December 3rd, 2007


This post originally appeared on Grumpy Old Deafies

The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill is currently passing through parliament, and currently in its second reading in the House of Lords. A bill is proposed law that passes through parliament, to be debated (and amended) before it becomes law. i.e. an Act of Parliament.

Clause 14

This week debate touched on Clause 14 which states:

(9) Persons or embryos that are known to have a gene, chromosome or mitochondrion abnormality involving a significant risk that a person with the abnormality will have or develop—

(a) a serious physical or mental disability,

(b) a serious illness, or

(c) any other serious medical condition,

must not be preferred to those that are not known to have such an abnormality.

That means you aren’t allowed to select a deaf embryo, and this has been confirmed as parliament’s intention through the passage of this Bill (and could be used for statutory interpretation later).

House of Lords debate

Baroness Deech (Crossbench)

In the scientific field, the Bill confirms the wider use of pre-implantation genetic diagnosis. That is good. I hope that your Lordships will be pleased that the deliberate choice of an embryo that is, for example, likely to be deaf will be prevented by Clause 14.

This prevents selection of an embryo if it is known to be born deaf. It does not prohibit selection on the basis that a child will be born hearing, and prefers it. Since genetic testing will be common place in the UK in future, you are hardly going to be able to leave things to nature and ‘wait and see’, if a child is born deaf or hearing.

Huge Implications on deaf fertilisation

This could have huge implications for families where there is a genetic trait of deafness. Say e.g. you have a deaf gene in your family, and for whatever reason needed assisted fertilisation in order to get pregnant. If the embryos developed were known be deaf, a female would not be allowed to be made pregnant by a deaf embryo, and a hearing embryo must always be picked. This could also mean that deaf people are prohibited from partaking in assistance with fertilisation (donation of eggs, sperm). Do you agree with this?

Parallels of past historical oppression

The bill as it stands conjure sup the spectre of eugenics and what Alexander Graham Bell was advocating. A lesser form of sterlisation of deaf people, what was practiced in Nazi Germany, to prevent deaf pro-creation.

Who is objecting to this, or speaking on our behalf?

What the hell is anyone doing about this proposed legislation? If it is ignored, by summer 2008 this will on the statute books and will be law. Who exactly is protecting deaf interests here, and statements by politicians that we are not equal? All those deaf organisations who make millions “on behalf of us” are doing what exactly? Sound asleep in a coma? Too hearing controlled or damn scared to say anything, through fear of upsetting their funders, and other charitable philanthropists? Deaf voice and protection of interests is where exactly?

Sources:
They Work for You
Hansard

Further Reading:
The Origins Of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia to the Final Solution, Henry Friedlander (Essay)
Crying Hands: Eugenics and Deaf People in Nazi Germany, Horst Biesold
Missing: Children of Germany’s Deaf People
Alexander Graham Bell - Wikipedia

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