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	<title>Comments on: Transcript: BBC Radio 2 Jeremy Vine Show, Deaf Babies</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Nanni</title>
		<link>http://stopeugenics.org/2008/03/10/transcript-bbc-radio-2-jeremy-vine-show-deaf-babies/#comment-431</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Nanni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Allison has pointed out, there is a key distinction needing to be made more clear to those who feel these parents are being selfish. That distinction is that of the fertilized embryos, any "deaf" embryos should not be automatically disregarded because the government or any doctor says so. Its is selfish of any hearing person to say that the deaf parents must have a hearing child because the child is obligated to be apart of the hearing world. That is selfish of hearing people because you rob the child from being a part of a culture its is now doubt going to be immersed in, it robs the child from a level of connection to its parents, and it instantly makes the child feel an outsider to a world it should be apart of, much in the way small-minded people make the deaf feel like outsiders.

Nonetheless, the issue isn't the parents asking or trying (because that isn't their agenda)to engineer a deaf embryo. The issue is that if a deaf embryo naturally occurs, it should be up to the parents to determine its value not the government's by way of the bill its trying to pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Allison has pointed out, there is a key distinction needing to be made more clear to those who feel these parents are being selfish. That distinction is that of the fertilized embryos, any &#8220;deaf&#8221; embryos should not be automatically disregarded because the government or any doctor says so. Its is selfish of any hearing person to say that the deaf parents must have a hearing child because the child is obligated to be apart of the hearing world. That is selfish of hearing people because you rob the child from being a part of a culture its is now doubt going to be immersed in, it robs the child from a level of connection to its parents, and it instantly makes the child feel an outsider to a world it should be apart of, much in the way small-minded people make the deaf feel like outsiders.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, the issue isn&#8217;t the parents asking or trying (because that isn&#8217;t their agenda)to engineer a deaf embryo. The issue is that if a deaf embryo naturally occurs, it should be up to the parents to determine its value not the government&#8217;s by way of the bill its trying to pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No-one is making a baby deaf.  The embryo is *already* deaf.  The government is saying that deaf embryos never have the right to be developed / born.

I don't agree with making someone deaf, severing off limbs etc, as the next deaf person.  You are misunderstanding this debate.

The government needs to make its mind up: give us choice *both* ways, or no choice at all.  Its current stance is discriminatory to certain classes of persons.

For the record, this goes beyond deaf and to other conditions.  E.g. if you have 'severe refractive errors' i.e. wear glasses, current guidance says you cannot be a donor.  Here the state is dictating to citizens who is permitted to reproduce and who is not.

The other issue with 14(4)(9) is that it sets up groups of people against each other.  No-one on planet earth is free from "defective" genes / perfect, neither do we know how certain genes will mutate.  What happens if one embryo might be deaf and another one might develop Alzheimer's Disease.  To you, which is the healthy embryo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No-one is making a baby deaf.  The embryo is *already* deaf.  The government is saying that deaf embryos never have the right to be developed / born.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with making someone deaf, severing off limbs etc, as the next deaf person.  You are misunderstanding this debate.</p>
<p>The government needs to make its mind up: give us choice *both* ways, or no choice at all.  Its current stance is discriminatory to certain classes of persons.</p>
<p>For the record, this goes beyond deaf and to other conditions.  E.g. if you have &#8217;severe refractive errors&#8217; i.e. wear glasses, current guidance says you cannot be a donor.  Here the state is dictating to citizens who is permitted to reproduce and who is not.</p>
<p>The other issue with 14(4)(9) is that it sets up groups of people against each other.  No-one on planet earth is free from &#8220;defective&#8221; genes / perfect, neither do we know how certain genes will mutate.  What happens if one embryo might be deaf and another one might develop Alzheimer&#8217;s Disease.  To you, which is the healthy embryo?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Kerton</title>
		<link>http://stopeugenics.org/2008/03/10/transcript-bbc-radio-2-jeremy-vine-show-deaf-babies/#comment-277</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Kerton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, these selfish parents can't see past the child having a right to hear.

If they can't have a deaf child naturally, they should not be considered for IVF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, these selfish parents can&#8217;t see past the child having a right to hear.</p>
<p>If they can&#8217;t have a deaf child naturally, they should not be considered for IVF.</p>
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		<title>By: John Walker</title>
		<link>http://stopeugenics.org/2008/03/10/transcript-bbc-radio-2-jeremy-vine-show-deaf-babies/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>John Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the question about "asking the child in 10 years time" is a totally uninformed one.  If the child was hearing, it would mean selecting a different embryo and therefore it would be a different child.  The debate here is allowing the embryo with the deafness gene to come into existence (and not thrown in the dustbin).

I have read both transcripts and I am sorry to see Paula and Tomato had a difficult experience with answering these questions and getting an uninformed audience to become educated about the difference between embryo selection and genetic engineering.

For me it is clear that Paula and Tomato are advocating for the right to have that choice (especially where the embryo is already conceived) but I am not sure if the audience or the interviewers have understood this.

Well done for trying!
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the question about &#8220;asking the child in 10 years time&#8221; is a totally uninformed one.  If the child was hearing, it would mean selecting a different embryo and therefore it would be a different child.  The debate here is allowing the embryo with the deafness gene to come into existence (and not thrown in the dustbin).</p>
<p>I have read both transcripts and I am sorry to see Paula and Tomato had a difficult experience with answering these questions and getting an uninformed audience to become educated about the difference between embryo selection and genetic engineering.</p>
<p>For me it is clear that Paula and Tomato are advocating for the right to have that choice (especially where the embryo is already conceived) but I am not sure if the audience or the interviewers have understood this.</p>
<p>Well done for trying!<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: Iain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say that it is unfair that all phone-in are majority geared towards to hearing or deafened with some hearing ability naturally because Deaf BSL users don't use radio. It distorted the balance of arguments from both sides. I am profoundly Deaf from birth and never really missed music. I believed that who have lost their hearing will always find it difficult to cope whereas native BSL users are much more positive. If IVF treatments geared towards to creating perfect embryo, rather than natural selection, we could end up making same mistakes as Germany did in prior to second world war sterilising all deaf people in order to prevent more deaf people. According to UN's human right conventions, we should be protected from any government systemically erasing deaf community because of specific language and culture that we embraced! We should been given same rights as any minority communities in UK. If IVF doctors rather to have whiter embryo than darker skins embryo, it would create big uproar, but deaf people are not given same consideration because we are seen as disabled and are burden to state as Nazi have described us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that it is unfair that all phone-in are majority geared towards to hearing or deafened with some hearing ability naturally because Deaf BSL users don&#8217;t use radio. It distorted the balance of arguments from both sides. I am profoundly Deaf from birth and never really missed music. I believed that who have lost their hearing will always find it difficult to cope whereas native BSL users are much more positive. If IVF treatments geared towards to creating perfect embryo, rather than natural selection, we could end up making same mistakes as Germany did in prior to second world war sterilising all deaf people in order to prevent more deaf people. According to UN&#8217;s human right conventions, we should be protected from any government systemically erasing deaf community because of specific language and culture that we embraced! We should been given same rights as any minority communities in UK. If IVF doctors rather to have whiter embryo than darker skins embryo, it would create big uproar, but deaf people are not given same consideration because we are seen as disabled and are burden to state as Nazi have described us!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Eugenics in UK: the debate suddenly takes off and hots up! &#171; TigerDeafie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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