Comments on: A question for the 12th April march organisers… http://stopeugenics.org/2008/02/15/a-question-for-the-12th-april-march-organisers/ Just another WordPress weblog Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:13:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: To march or not to march (against Eugenics)…is that the question? « TigerDeafie http://stopeugenics.org/2008/02/15/a-question-for-the-12th-april-march-organisers/#comment-247 To march or not to march (against Eugenics)…is that the question? « TigerDeafie Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:11:39 +0000 http://stopeugenics.org/2008/02/15/a-question-for-the-12th-april-march-organisers/#comment-247 [...] awaiting a reply. StopEugenics was not set up to oppose the entire Bill, only the clause (see here for some of the reasons why the whole Bill is not being opposed). Individuals might be against the [...] […] awaiting a reply. StopEugenics was not set up to oppose the entire Bill, only the clause (see here for some of the reasons why the whole Bill is not being opposed). Individuals might be against the […]

]]> By: jen http://stopeugenics.org/2008/02/15/a-question-for-the-12th-april-march-organisers/#comment-241 jen Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:29:59 +0000 http://stopeugenics.org/2008/02/15/a-question-for-the-12th-april-march-organisers/#comment-241 Nope still waitinggggggg!! And in answer to your other question; there is no real answer, but I will ask... if there were no Deaf people, would there be BSL? I think not! Nope still waitinggggggg!!

And in answer to your other question; there is no real answer, but I will ask… if there were no Deaf people, would there be BSL? I think not!

]]> By: M Williams http://stopeugenics.org/2008/02/15/a-question-for-the-12th-april-march-organisers/#comment-240 M Williams Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:42:22 +0000 http://stopeugenics.org/2008/02/15/a-question-for-the-12th-april-march-organisers/#comment-240 has someone answered your question yet? has someone answered your question yet?

]]> By: M Williams http://stopeugenics.org/2008/02/15/a-question-for-the-12th-april-march-organisers/#comment-239 M Williams Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:58:28 +0000 http://stopeugenics.org/2008/02/15/a-question-for-the-12th-april-march-organisers/#comment-239 I agree Jen your point is valid and I too would like to see that the point you had raised about deaf issue - this is what they need to address (part section of the bill and not the whole bill). I thank you for pointing this out. You hit the nerve your concern the gender/sexuality issues to had raised in your point since this matter is close to your heart and it is of your personal interest being a women. I was sadden to see some issue from certain BSL lobby that they do not tolerate the wording “deafness” and this then do not validate equality or diversity. Is this hypocritical? This came from the recent Healthy Deaf Mind event. At times they promote their cultural issue and go down a blind alley forgetting the principles “people”. Is this right Jen? Do help me understand how I can empower myself to have confidence BSL community their proactive work when they struggle in their objectives – their cultural struggles? Just like my families – I once attend a funeral of my grandma (A dominated Welsh language family). We are a multicultural family group but they only had Welsh language in this service – excluding other languages and deaf needs. We were disempowering to have any redress this matter. My grandma never once spoken to me in Welsh - this was ironic to feel excluded by a cultural group that I was born into but never nurtured into learning properly the language and the cultural behavioural norm Welsh culture. I had mirrored this in attuned to Deaf Culture my struggle no fault mine but my peers.I still feel a victim. I had then made a parallel that this can happen in the deaf community. I had found that this was because they could not tolerate diversity and equality and can be so arrogance in their beliefs to make others feels excluded - Even those who are deaf non BSL users have some affinity feels so – We do have a huge political problem – often not wishing to be involved but want sanity in ourselves and we do have the same yearning and frustration but unable to do so when “language predominate and not deafness” hinders awarness at times. I wondered why there is no collective spirit within all sectors of our deaf community to show respects our struggles. The fight within - those who hold the power to throw venom and be judgemental attitudinal theirs to discriminate often does happen. I wondered if ever we can achieve our mission to educate our able society who we are and what we wish and have our needs be enabled in our society in order to be an independent person? I agree Jen your point is valid and I too would like to see that the point you had raised about deaf issue - this is what they need to address (part section of the bill and not the whole bill). I thank you for pointing this out.

You hit the nerve your concern the gender/sexuality issues to had raised in your point since this matter is close to your heart and it is of your personal interest being a women.

I was sadden to see some issue from certain BSL lobby that they do not tolerate the wording “deafness” and this then do not validate equality or diversity. Is this hypocritical? This came from the recent Healthy Deaf Mind event.

At times they promote their cultural issue and go down a blind alley forgetting the principles “people”. Is this right Jen? Do help me understand how I can empower myself to have confidence BSL community their proactive work when they struggle in their objectives – their cultural struggles?

Just like my families – I once attend a funeral of my grandma (A dominated Welsh language family).
We are a multicultural family group but they only had Welsh language in this service – excluding other languages and deaf needs. We were disempowering to have any redress this matter. My grandma never once spoken to me in Welsh - this was ironic to feel excluded by a cultural group that I was born into but never nurtured into learning properly the language and the cultural behavioural norm Welsh culture.

I had mirrored this in attuned to Deaf Culture my struggle no fault mine but my peers.I still feel a victim.

I had then made a parallel that this can happen in the deaf community. I had found that this was because they could not tolerate diversity and equality and can be so arrogance in their beliefs to make others feels excluded - Even those who are deaf non BSL users have some affinity feels so – We do have a huge political problem – often not wishing to be involved but want sanity in ourselves and we do have the same yearning and frustration but unable to do so when “language predominate and not deafness” hinders awarness at times.

I wondered why there is no collective spirit within all sectors of our deaf community to show respects our struggles. The fight within - those who hold the power to throw venom and be judgemental attitudinal theirs to discriminate often does happen. I wondered if ever we can achieve our mission to educate our able society who we are and what we wish and have our needs be enabled in our society in order to be an independent person?

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